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	<title>Comments on: The Singularity: Rupture or Rapture?</title>
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		<title>By: William Jacobson</title>
		<link>http://www.coreywdevos.com/2009/07/31/the-singularity-rupture-or-rapture/comment-page-1/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>William Jacobson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t read enough about the potential for a tech singularity. Nice post. Here&#039;s a cute short video cartoon about law and technology that mentions the singularity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwYicJedEE4. If you like it, please vote for it: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=JiaOvy05ZUDkeRD0ECOz_2bQ_3d_3d. Yes, I&#039;m vote grubbing, but I also hope folks here might like it. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t read enough about the potential for a tech singularity. Nice post. Here&#8217;s a cute short video cartoon about law and technology that mentions the singularity: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwYicJedEE4" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwYicJedEE4&amp;referer=');">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwYicJedEE4</a>. If you like it, please vote for it: <a href="http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=JiaOvy05ZUDkeRD0ECOz_2bQ_3d_3d" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=JiaOvy05ZUDkeRD0ECOz_2bQ_3d_3d&amp;referer=');">http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=JiaOvy05ZUDkeRD0ECOz_2bQ_3d_3d</a>. Yes, I&#8217;m vote grubbing, but I also hope folks here might like it. <img src='http://www.coreywdevos.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Corey W. devos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corey W. devos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 00:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mumon, you are absolutely right, thanks for checking my math.  It&#039;s been fixed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mumon, you are absolutely right, thanks for checking my math.  It&#8217;s been fixed.</p>
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		<title>By: Mumon</title>
		<link>http://www.coreywdevos.com/2009/07/31/the-singularity-rupture-or-rapture/comment-page-1/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>Mumon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 23:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think instead of:

y=2^x + 1

you meant:

y= 2^(x-1)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think instead of:</p>
<p>y=2^x + 1</p>
<p>you meant:</p>
<p>y= 2^(x-1)</p>
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		<title>By: ~C4Chaos</title>
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		<dc:creator>~C4Chaos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 03:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very cool summary of the singularity with a riff on integral.

while i&#039;m generally optimistic about the concept of singularity i have reservations about Kurweil&#039;s utopian vision. there are just so many factors involved (e.g. socio-cultural, economic, political, and unknown unknowns). however, i do think that the technological acceleration is inevitable so we have to inform ourselves on what the future might look like to be better prepared for it and be more embracing of the surprises that will come our way.

that said, there are other awesome scenarios that might happen along the way. some of them sound very much like the stuff of science fictions. check out &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.forbes.com/2009/06/18/cosmist-terran-cyborgist-opinions-contributors-artificial-intelligence-09-hugo-de-garis.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Coming Artilect War&lt;/a&gt;&quot; (are you a cosmist, a terran, or a cyborgist?)

as for consciousness downloading in a machine, i&#039;m agnostic about it. but i was surprised to discover that &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/DVClu&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;even the Dalai Lama is open to the possibility&lt;/a&gt;.

exciting times, my friend. exciting times....

~C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very cool summary of the singularity with a riff on integral.</p>
<p>while i&#8217;m generally optimistic about the concept of singularity i have reservations about Kurweil&#8217;s utopian vision. there are just so many factors involved (e.g. socio-cultural, economic, political, and unknown unknowns). however, i do think that the technological acceleration is inevitable so we have to inform ourselves on what the future might look like to be better prepared for it and be more embracing of the surprises that will come our way.</p>
<p>that said, there are other awesome scenarios that might happen along the way. some of them sound very much like the stuff of science fictions. check out &#8220;<a href="http://www.forbes.com/2009/06/18/cosmist-terran-cyborgist-opinions-contributors-artificial-intelligence-09-hugo-de-garis.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.forbes.com/2009/06/18/cosmist-terran-cyborgist-opinions-contributors-artificial-intelligence-09-hugo-de-garis.html?referer=');">The Coming Artilect War</a>&#8221; (are you a cosmist, a terran, or a cyborgist?)</p>
<p>as for consciousness downloading in a machine, i&#8217;m agnostic about it. but i was surprised to discover that <a href="http://bit.ly/DVClu" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/bit.ly/DVClu?referer=');">even the Dalai Lama is open to the possibility</a>.</p>
<p>exciting times, my friend. exciting times&#8230;.</p>
<p>~C</p>
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		<title>By: Twitted by c4chaos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twitted by c4chaos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 03:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Devon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel like their will be some sort of upper level ceiling.  Just like in the story, at the end of the chessboard, you would need a field twice the size of the earth.  In ideal mathematical land it works, but in reality their is always a limit.  Its the same mental acrobatics that has convinced the population that money increases exponentially forever.</description>
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		<title>By: Duff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your clear and engaging writing, Corey. The singularity is a strange and important perspective.

There are of course other possibilities as well beyond rapture and rupture. There is an existing critique of technology as a program of control of that which cannot be controlled, doomed to failure. See Charles Eisenstein&#039;s magnum opus The Ascent of Humanity for a good portrayal of this view: http://ascentofhumanity.com

(From the integral lens, you will almost certainly see Eisenstein&#039;s perspective as &quot;green&quot; and reject it, but even so, it forms a strong antithesis to the conventional integral view that also posits an upcoming new age--not the &quot;integral&quot; age but the Age of &quot;Reunion.&quot; Similar terminology, but very different conclusions, I think.)

This argument is not that the dangers of technology are that it can be used by the less moral (which of course it can), but that even when used as intended by the intelligent and ethical, technology has enormous ecological, social, cultural, and economic side-effects. The argument is that these side-effects are currently converging in a set of crises that threaten to destroy all of civilization...or perhaps give birth to a new one, if you&#039;re an optimist like Eisenstein. The idea being that if technology is causing the problem, more of the same technology won&#039;t solve it (but perhaps radically different and ecological technology can be very useful, depending on who is positing this perspective).

I find it integrally important to give full voice to the possibility that perhaps the desire to predict and control our world is itself the problem.

I&#039;d also like to add that George Lakoff and Mark Johnson have a strong critique against the view that minds are like computers in their book Philosophy in the Flesh, which argues that cognition is fundamentally embodied. Per their argument I&#039;ve concluded that perhaps computers could have a different non-human kind of cognition, but that unfortunately makes downloading our brains into a computer highly unlikely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your clear and engaging writing, Corey. The singularity is a strange and important perspective.</p>
<p>There are of course other possibilities as well beyond rapture and rupture. There is an existing critique of technology as a program of control of that which cannot be controlled, doomed to failure. See Charles Eisenstein&#8217;s magnum opus The Ascent of Humanity for a good portrayal of this view: <a href="http://ascentofhumanity.com" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/ascentofhumanity.com?referer=');">http://ascentofhumanity.com</a></p>
<p>(From the integral lens, you will almost certainly see Eisenstein&#8217;s perspective as &#8220;green&#8221; and reject it, but even so, it forms a strong antithesis to the conventional integral view that also posits an upcoming new age&#8211;not the &#8220;integral&#8221; age but the Age of &#8220;Reunion.&#8221; Similar terminology, but very different conclusions, I think.)</p>
<p>This argument is not that the dangers of technology are that it can be used by the less moral (which of course it can), but that even when used as intended by the intelligent and ethical, technology has enormous ecological, social, cultural, and economic side-effects. The argument is that these side-effects are currently converging in a set of crises that threaten to destroy all of civilization&#8230;or perhaps give birth to a new one, if you&#8217;re an optimist like Eisenstein. The idea being that if technology is causing the problem, more of the same technology won&#8217;t solve it (but perhaps radically different and ecological technology can be very useful, depending on who is positing this perspective).</p>
<p>I find it integrally important to give full voice to the possibility that perhaps the desire to predict and control our world is itself the problem.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to add that George Lakoff and Mark Johnson have a strong critique against the view that minds are like computers in their book Philosophy in the Flesh, which argues that cognition is fundamentally embodied. Per their argument I&#8217;ve concluded that perhaps computers could have a different non-human kind of cognition, but that unfortunately makes downloading our brains into a computer highly unlikely.</p>
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